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Ron Silliman's blogpost links list of Monday 5th Jan 2009http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ contains a link to Charles Bernstein's 'Eulogy for Emma' (Emma Bee Bernstein). I cannot imagine how horrible the loss of a child could be, and for her family, Charles, Susan and Felix, my deepest sympathy at such a loss. Emma was a young woman, so brilliant and so beautiful, with prospects for a wonderful future.

I read the eulogy Charles wrote and was deeply moved by his honesty and his clarity in expressing the feelings that would be, under such circumstances, almost impossible to express - yet he did find a way to make his grief meaningful and to celebrate his love for Emma - celebrate her life. Her brother Felix, also wrote an amazing eulogy filled with that same beauty that only truth allows.

What I did notice when reading the eulogy Charles wrote was the use of quoted poetry throughout; the poets Wallace Stevens, Tennyson, Swinburne, Dickinson - all members of the western canon and possibly considered quietest, by today's post avant, flarf, and language school poets. I wondered why Charles Bernstein did not select some work from his own contemporary affiliations. His work is considered to be exceptional within the language school, and his leanings are decidedly post avant or post canon at least.

I am not writing to criticise his eulogy, or to criticise the language/flarf poetry community which I support and read, but I did think about what decides 'choice' during a time of great turmoil and in a state of deep grief, choice for him was to search out poetry which held meaning, which could be understood, which conveyed something akin to emotional connection with a/his particular state of being. That he included those quotes meant that he understood them and that they represented something to him in his time of great grief. The quoted works signified something meaningful.

I do wonder what will be available in fifty years or more of much of the language and flarf constructs of poets writing today. What will mean something to people in their times of joy or grief. What poetry will say for them when they need some expression in language to stand beside them.

Will flarf have anything to leave behind for people? Does it matter that language poetry may hold no meaning? Can poetry matter if it's only made for now and if it does not hold any understanding for anyone? What should poetry say, beyond its author construction? Does it need to say anything? And if meaning does not matter, and if it is only pattern or play, why write it and hope to have it published? Doesn't publishing poetry require readers?

What do people (poets and non poets) want when they reach for poetry - maybe not greatness, maybe not sentiment, maybe not old fashioned self indulgence - but surely they do want something which reaches them, something which they can recognise.

I do not think that poetry needs to be easily understood. I do think that many constructs within contemporary poetry hold up and will remain available to people well into the future generations. But, here's the thing, does the majority of poetry being written, blogged, published and performed today really matter to anyone? (Or matter to anyone outside of the poet's circle or school, and if it doesn't why bother with it).

I know that it is very difficult to select poetry which matters, or has qualities which matter , but it is possible to make a subjective choice for yourself or myself about the work which matters to you or to me. It is possible to care for poetry and care about the poetry you (or me) write or read.

Charles Bernstein made a choice about the work he wanted to include within his eulogy for his beautiful child, and he did not select poetry which held no meaning or was written for pattern or play, he grabbed onto work which was good contemporary poetry when it was written, and which is still good poetry today. Poetry which held meaning because the poets understood their craft. The forms are out dated now, but the poetry is as shinning and as fresh as it was then. It is good poetry, strange but open, mysterious but resonant.

It seems to me that Charles Bernstein selected work to include in his 'Eulogy for Emma' which was meaningful to him, because meaning was important. And meaning is important after all, language is important, making something far richer than play and leaving something for all to find if they want.

38 Comments:

Blogger Ian said...

I am sure there is poetry being written today that will be suitable for tragic tributes in the future, including the poetry of Charles and his contemporaries.

But the beauty and sadness of Charles’ eulogy is bound up in pulling out meaning from dark tradition, to crystallize pain beneath the same sky that overlooked earlier poets who felt and rendered grief, or sought to catch evanescence in mid-flight.

Where else would a poet turn to show how words are both empty and bottomless?

7/1/09 10:52  
Blogger Joe Safdie said...

Louise, this is a deeply-felt and considered post, and I thank you for it. I too was moved by Charles' eulogy and noticed it was very different than his characteristic work.

I think what you say here can be extended to political concerns, like the current siege of Gaza -- flarf and langpo, by their nature, can't "comment" -- not that that's all that poetry can do, far from it! But it has been part of the spectrum, at least until quite recently. At any rate, thanks for this.

10/1/09 04:33  
Blogger Art Durkee said...

You're put your finger on something very, very important: durability. I was sent all the news about Emma, and the eulogies, from a mutual friend. I noticed throughout that post-avant poetry had no presence in anything. I've been saying for a long time that LangPo isn't giving us much that will endure. With no offense intended towards anyone, and with some understanding of the grief process (having lost both parents last year), again I say: you have stated clearly one of the fundamental issue of durability, or its lack.

10/1/09 14:07  
Anonymous Paul said...

I'm pretty sure the only reason Flarf exists outside the spirax notebooks of a few university students is because Ron Silliman was one of the first poetry and poetics bloggers and hence got a head start on the google juice. If it wasn't for that fact noone would have ever heard of Flarf.

15/1/09 11:00  
Blogger Louise said...

hey all, thanks for making the comments here. i guess thanks also to ron for posting a link on his blog.

i do worry about the evidence of 'lack' in the post avant playground - but i get into a lot of it and enjoy it.

the stuff that is not appealing is what i always find unappealing, i guess, and that is writing which just doesn't do anything and has nothing to say aside from its language/constructs/strings.

i guess though, that if poets were not pushing the boundaries and failing sometimes, most of their work would become very boring - even though a hellavalot of
flarf, noncreative, bad,language,conceptual,lyric and quietist is generic and too awful - good writing exists in all those genres, just takes talented writers to make it good and good is subjective, but mostly everyone knows when they're reading it if it is (good or not) and no pooh-poohing about how we can't make judgements, because we should and we can and we do all the time.

cheers,
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15/1/09 13:06  
Anonymous Ton van 't Hof said...

Louise, a very thoughtful post. But, on many funerals classical music is played. Your main question here sounds to me like: Why don’t composers nowadays write music like Beethoven anymore? Because his music is so more meaningful than, let’s say, Bruce Springsteen’s or Eminem, Dr. Dre & 50 Cent’s. I believe that flarf or langpo have and should have their own reasons for existence.

16/2/09 19:07  
Blogger Louise said...

hi Ton, thanks for your post and thanks for taking some time to read my post.

i don't want to be combative, nor was my post meant in that way.

i was moved charle's words and curious about his selections.

i don't think that your comparison speaks for/to my post, it is your own way of seeing what i might have been saying, and i can accept it in that light.

i think that if it was bruce springsteen presenting a euology for a loved one, he might select beethoven or something of his own to perform. i don't think though, that is the point i'm trying to make. but it could be a valid point for you and i'm happy for you to do so.

as i have stated a few times, i read langpo,flarf and write it myself, i am not dissing on the genre/form - sometimes i would like to be able to find more meaning (not just narrative or clarity or words alone) - meaning as something contained within language can be difficult in new forms but it can be done.

re charle's selections, he would know why that work meant something to him, and at a time when he needed 'meaning' he drank deeply...

16/2/09 20:36  
Blogger Nick Piombino said...

Although I have not at all discussed this point with Charles, one guess that I might make is that many, many friends and acquaintances who are published writers were present at the funeral, and virtually every writer known to him (a very large number, as nearly every reader of contemporary literature must know by now) will eventually read this eulogy who were not present. There may have been an impulse (this is only a conjecture) especially at a moment like this, not to cause inadvertent pain to someone by not having not been quoted, or at least not to have to think about this when he was writing the eulogy. Like any form of literature, it seems to me, ancient or modern, contemporary forms are eminently quotable, especially in brief, with much effectiveness.

21/2/09 10:24  
Blogger Louise said...

nick, thanks for your comment.

i appreciate the point you make here, regarding the possibility (and it can only be a guessed at possibility)of Charles not wishing to 'cause inadvertent pain' to the contempoary poets not quoted, should he have selected a few of them to quote - but i can't imagine that this would be of any consideration for him really, with so much else so overwhelming him at that time.

it would also seem a shabby thing to imagine that poets would be 'pained' by the work of friends being quoted and their own work not quoted. are poets so competitive really...no, i don't think that charles selected work on the basis of a politically correct rationale.

i think he selected work which meant something to him. the fact that it was not contemporary is a mere curiousity to me and my voicing the fact, little more than a 'thing noticed'which becomes a fact i thought to comment on.

i acknowledge that very much is valid within contemporary and experimental poetics, but also much is lacking with regard to critical writing on the post avant (for want of a better term)poetics.

one of the areas of lack, in my opinion, is the lack in the forms themselves, lack of intention within the constructs, the lessening of rigour with regard to the constructs purpose and surely meaning -(not just the easy to understand or trite or careless work - but meaning and reach), would be one purpose or one value within a text.

and if a group or movement are doing work which is based on an idea, say flarf or any of the other too many labels, then it would be stupid to think that all the work done by all the poets within that movement would be 'great' and how much harder for anyone outside the movement to select something to discuss and how much harder for a reader to select something to read and/or cherish.

perhaps intention and meaning is a value added commodity which will heighten pleasure in reading the work, pleasure in making it too.

but at some point the work of movements is judged by its 'first innovator' or 'leader' and so much of the rest is left in the garbage of time. there are very few 4.33 recitals worth remembering, aside from john cage's first - innovation is something isn't it? and repetition is something else.

for me, what remains is meaning and intention.

21/2/09 14:14  
Blogger Stephen Baraban said...

I thank you Louise for having delicately and bravely managed to broach this discussion--it's hard to say anything about the way a person chooses to express their grief, but I think Charles Bernstein, Susan Bee, and their son Felix could not object to, and likely could welcome, the exchange that has here opened up.

I think perhaps the crucial fact of what is quoted and not quoted in Bernstein's eulogy, and the rest of the memorial program, is not so much the absence of langpo and flarf, but the absence of those movements as well as anything from the New American Poetry lineage and its precursors--no Creeley, Kyger, W.C. Williams, Neidecker, Zukofsky, etc.

The poets whose words were summoned are writers beloved by Charles Berstein but from I imagine he must experience a certain sharp distance of sensibility. And so, consciously or unconsciously, perhaps the choice of authors, through its bias toward distance, serves to underline the gulf between the living and the dead, that inescapable fact, as true as also the fact that, as Charles notes with his lovely quote of Poe-- it's not every day that the verse of such a somewhat embarassing poet though great prose-writer can find its place in a serious speech!--the souls of the family will never ever be disevered.

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